The 2019 world weightlifting championships will be held in Pattaya, Thailand.
The Entry List (PDF) is out. As always the final start list will be published by IWF after the final verification meeting one or two days before competition.
When: 18 – 27th September
Update: Start List (PDF) is out.
Mohamed Ehab at worlds (he has not tested positive)! For the last couple of days here in Thailand the rumor has been that Egypt received a country ban for this years worlds, based on positives from years ago that only now was made public.
Mark Grimm says
Do we know where any streaming or channels it will be on?
Jerker Karlsson says
Hear, hear! Any info would be great.
Any Infos about live-streams avaiable in Germany this year? Seems like Eurosport doesn’t broadcast any live-footage..
Why Moradi is not there?
David Oliveira says
Moradi has a shoulder injury.
I was shocked at Iryna Dekha’s entry total, it must be a typo. It’s 26kg over her PB, and she’s not that young.
and what about Ruslan Nurudinov ?
My comment was deleted about 49kg C group and live coverage links if you live in US.
I am watching 55kg A it live on ESPN3.
The list is available on the the ESPN.
https://www.iwf.net/pattaya_live/ is OK but it is black out when ESPN3 is live. So, watch B and C groups on IWF.
Jerker Karlsson says
Didn’t he get caught, steroids?
Jerker Karlsson says
For info on how to Watch:
Swear to God, if one of you gets this blocked, I ain’t never sharin’ nothin’ with you guys again.
Wu Jingbiao was the co-announcer and said that Qin Fulin is really in bad shape because in training, he can do 143+177. Li Fabin was fabulous, snatched 145 even though his training best was only 146.
Is jury suppose to look at slow motion or regular speed? That was the question asked in men 61kg.
I think slow motion is Ok but jury gets really nit picking with jerk portion of C&J.
I’m done guys, I’m out. I think my heart just gave and I died. I’ve never seen a comp like that before and likely never will again. When Lu Xiaojun was holding his back after the snatch, I thought, ‘What an old soldier. Even with a back injury, he manages 1 last gold in his master discipline before bowing out. He’ll probably make 180 C&J and retire from the competition. Or he might not even bother.’ Chinese coaches usually never risk athlete injury, especially when Li Dayin is there to pick up the slack. If Lu was North Korean, I’d expect him to lift until he bombs and needs a stretcher to be called. When he made 191, I thought that was amazing but basically same picture: gold snatch, no medals in C&J or total. He set his second lift to 201 and seeing him on the ground with a bag of ice on his back, I was sure he was going to use those 2 lifts to give Li Dayin rest time if he needed it. When he stood up, I laughed, “No. Don’t do it.” But it was a chuckle because I thought he as just walking around. Then he set it to 205. I thought the same. He might was well say 300. He’s not lifting again. When he approached the stage, I was scared. Could he and his coach really both be this insane? Probably not; he was probably just going to touch the bar to make time for Li to come out. For the first time in my life, I was scared instead of excited seeing Lu Xiaojun approach the stage. When he cleaned 205, I thought there wasn’t a chance in hell he’d jerk it; it was a stupid thing to do and it would be all for nothing. When he made the weight, my joy was overwhelmed and numbed by shock and anger the YuJie would risk such a thing! Lu stumbled off the stage holding his back having made a weight that he never made before in international competition even when healthy. This old soldier was a weightlifting God; I don’t remember anyone in history to make a competition PR under obvious injury! Then I saw Li call for 206. I wasn’t happy; he was trying to take Lu’s gold rather than the 207 WR. He was willing to throw away the non-Chinese WR for the gold even though the gold was already going to China. He treated Lu like any foreign competitor rather than a compatriot. My admiration for the kid slipped. When Lu posted 207, I didn’t believe it, but my Chinese screen went dark; the broadcast was suddenly experiencing technical difficulties. I could only see the IWF scoreboard. Surely, Lu can’t come out again. I had no higher levels of shock and amazement left to give. 2 minutes later… a long 2 minutes, 207 turned blue. I stood there frozen with one thought in my mind: ‘Lu Xiaojun is undoubtedly the God of Gods in weightlifting. No one else can compare.’
Amazing watching LYU Xiaojun lifting 191. I think this is the last time we see him in a meaningful international meet. Beside the two Chinese the rest of competition in C&J was dismal at best in A session.
Total WR will get to 380 by the time Olympics comes around.
Interesting results from 81kg
17. In group C: RAHIMOV Nijat, 145 and 189.
24. In Group D: MENDEZ PEREZ Arley, 150 and 175
I got scared watching 81 C session when VACHON Nicolas from Canada dropped 142 on the back of his neck. I suggest not watching it! He came back and lifted 181.
Oh this better not be Lu’s last meaningful comp. He did all this to get more Robi points than Li Dayin, because China can no longer just choose. So if Lu’s locked in over Li, and then goes to Tokyo to do some 165+190 BS, that would really be messing things up on the way out.
Jerker Karlsson says
The way they fought for that gold really made me Think that they are actually fighting for that Olympic spot. There seemed to be no overall Chinese tactic this time, instead Lu and Li really Went toe to toe. I do hope this is the case, and this was not Lu’s swan song and he wanted to go out with a bang. Maybe the silver in 2016 keeps him going for another gold and a third Olympic medal.
Interesting question: if Lu Xiaojun gets more Robi points than Li Dayin, as far as the IWF is concerned, Lu must go instead of Li. Now if, God forbid, in the final months leading up to Tokyo, Lu starts to fade fast with injuries and it becomes apparent that he’s like 20kg behind Li, can China simply retire him to give his spot to Li, or does that spot just disappear for China in that case?
Lu Xiaojun blew my mind, I always had the concept that the chinese method is the most prone to injuries, and with such a big pool of talent lifters, injuries, this should not be a problem for the national team, since year after year we see new young chinese champions. And now a 35 year old make such an amazing feat, breaking world records.
Oh no, Roberto, the Chinese system is arguably the most conservative among the weightlifting giants when it comes to preserving athlete health. There was a documentary about it that when head coach Chen Wenbin started out, the training was not scientific and many athletes would get injured as they were trying to get stronger. The result was injured athletes who had to retire without medalling. Coach Chen dedicated his life to creating the new Chinese system with diet included, that specializes in preventing injuries and with this, Fujian weightlifting skyrocketed a few decades ago. His system is currently the system used by the Chinese national team. Yujie took this to the extreme when he took over an injured Tian Tao and trained him on sub-max effort lifts for 2 whole years before unleashing his strength at the 2014 Asian games with a 218 clean and jerk that matched Zhang Yong’s 1998 world record.
Not totally sure but I think the system most prone to injuries is Bulgarian.
I am changing my mind about the chinese system. I always thought that doing heavy pulls and tons of bodybuiding exercises was counter productive and dangerous, but there is not how to argue about the results of China in the last decade in this sport. We can see retired athletes in China that still heathly and very very strong. Sometimes is difficult to change our own opinion,
Is it me or are we seeing significantly more injuries and injured people this competition?
That A-hole Tian Tao will just never allow any fans to watch in comfort and confidence. Got my heart rate at 250, pacing circles in my room eyes fixated on the monitor, howling like an idiot at 8AM. Unbelievable. I thought he wasn’t in 230 form and Elbakh was gonna take his scalp today…
Jerker Karlsson says
I actually didn´t think he was going to make the 180 kg snatch. Both misses on 175 kg seemed to be from a weak pull and not enough height on the bar as I remember it.
Victor, do you have more information regarding the new system by Coach Chen and Yujie training Tian Tao?
.John Raffaelej says
Rostami got screwed by the officials. Rostami had selected 179 on the attempt card signed by his coach. They let Rivas go at 179 out of order then told Rostami after a 2-3 minute delay that since Rivas was a 2nd attempt Rostami had to take 180. He tweeked his elbow and bombed out.
Niel, Yujie briefly describes it as comfortable sub-max lifts only, never struggling, lots of volume, and a ton of assistance exercises to strengthen small supporting muscles. He joked saying he should patent it seeing how well it worked on Tian Tao!
Thanks Victor. Is there anywhere I can learn more about this or research it further? I’ve found that style of training tends to work well for most people.
Niel, I dunno but I don’t think so. It’s very unlikely for them to just put the program somewhere online and it’s catered to the specific athlete and specific injury. Maybe if you paid to join a training camp in China and met coach Chen Wenbin (as Coach Yujie probably will be completely focused on his students going to the Olympics), you could get him to reveal more.
I figured. It’s probably time to visit China and learn more.
I am very happy today. Great Championship.
I am also sad because we have to wait till April for a meaningful tournament till 2020.
I just hope no one gets kicked out of Olympics using enhancement drugs in 2019 WC.
Points of this Championship:
1. Shi Zhiyong is the king of his class, there is no rivals
2. Lu Xiaojun world champion at 35 years old, 207 clean & jerk with a injured back, an amazing feat
3. Tian Tao and Meso Hassona will be a great fight in Tokyo, and I think Meso will improve even more.
4. And what about Ilya ? What do you guys think ?
5. 102 kg class is for sleep.
6. Now we can say that Andrei Aramnov is back, it was great to watch such amazing lifter in good shape again.
7. Lasha has by far the biggest total ever and the biggest snatch ever. Pisarenko and Taranenko still have the clean & Jerk gold, but until when ?
8. Lasha is the best sinclair of this championship with 484 points, a huuuuuuuuuge number.
9. Naim still have the best sinclair ever with 498 points.
istvan grob says
True, he’s a beast.
Lifting with an injured back – or any other part of the body – is bullsh’t. Same when Rim Jong Sim did it in 2015 : the whole thing is a farce , over dramatising what is not there. Believe me I lifted for almost 20 years.
True I even fancy Meso to win it. Or will Sorab be back?
Ilya looks like is only there to participate in the olympics again. I don’t see him coming back to his old form but who knows?
Hear,hear. Absolutely disappointing.
I did not see that coming. I am really happy for him. On the other hand he didn’t use himself up during the years so he could go on for a few more seasons.
I think Lasha will take that too in Tokyo
Lasha is a gem. Muhammad Ali of weight lifting.
Naim is forever:)
Fantastic Post Roberto. Answers IMO
“4. And what about Ilya ?” Why is he back and what is he trying to prove at 96 kg? Kazakh team must be depleted if they are counting on him for 2020. He should enjoy life of a young 30+ year old man. Ilya may show up in 102 kg weight in 2021 (Lima, Peru).
“5. 102 kg class is for sleep.”
Big mistake setting up this weight category and 89 (all of these IMO). There is only difference of 6 kg between 96kg or 109 and this weight. I have no idea why there was such a hate for 56kg.
“6. Now we can say that Andrei Aramnov is back” He looked like a 50 year old man! I look forward to see him have a happy and healthy life beside weightlifting.
Will US men or women team win a gold medal in 2020? Will Russian men team win a medal in 2020? When we will see 500kg total (230 + 270)?
Jerker Karlsson says
Thought I’d reply with my views.
“Will US men or women team win a gold medal in 2020?”
Maybe, there is a chance. Nye and Rogers are in a spot where they can push each other to greater heights. Cummings and Maurus need to improve their snatches to be competitive for a medal.
“Will Russian men team win a medal in 2020?”
Yes, Kashirina if nobody else.
“When we will see 500kg total (230 + 270)?”
If WADA and IWF are serious with doping Controls across the board, never.
Just my views.
Jerker Karlsson says
Well, Kashirina is not a man, read your question too quickly. As for the men, I’m not sure. They had very few spots if I remember correctly.
Will US men or women team win a gold medal in 2020? Women yes, there is a pool of talents in US nowadays,
Will Russian men team win a medal in 2020? I don’t think so, Russian team is in trouble with doping control.
When we will see 500kg total (230 + 270)? No for 230, yes for 270. We can see a 490 total with Lasha.
Wait, which Americans do people think can win a GOLD medal in 2020? Keep in mind that both Nye and Rogers are in 71kg, which is a non-Olympic class, and totaled more than 10kg behind the class lower than theirs (Deng Wei’s 64).
The only way I can think of is if CJ’s on fire and goes 155+195, then Shi bombs and even then, the rest of the field have to have basically not improved at all between now and the Olympics.
I am sure Nye and or Rogers will lift in the 76 kilo class. It depends on were the Chinese and North Koreans put their total allowed women, so I believe there is a chance for a gold metal. At least a metal of some kind. Kurt
Due to the 4 women quota, China will probably forego the 76 to prevent 1 spot being wasted on Zhang Wangli likely taking a silver behind Rim but North Korea would never forgo 76 unless Rim was badly injured, and I mean BADLY because she will limp onto the stage to make her lifts if that means she can be triple Olympic champion and neither American can push her anyway.
So China, by far the only possible victim of the 4 man 4 woman quota, now has to select 1 male and 1 female gold medalist from this year’s championships to cut from the Olympic team. Without possible injury being accounted for:
The woman who will be cut is most likely Wang Zhouyu because she has the least amount of chance to make a WR. If Tatiana Kashirina regains bear mode, then Li Wenwen will likely be cut instead and we’ll miss one hell of a fight to see the Russian maul her opponents with a one-arm snatch LOL.
For the men, the choice is even harder. Literally everyone is capable of WRs. If China wanted to take the safest path to the most gold medals, Tian Tao will be cut due to his inconsistency and the rising young Elbakh. But if China wants to take the path to new territory, it would send Tian Tao to take China’s first ever gold in the men’s mid-heavyweight class and leave Li Fabin home in case Irawan shows up in Ashgabat form.
Some really hard choices that no country should have to make. No gold medalist contenders or WR athletes should ever have to stay home after having completed all qualifying steps just to make room for some second rate lifter from another country in the name of diversity.
Hello Victor, considering the Chinese problem. I do think it is unfair for the better teams to have only four competitors in the olympics, that is why I think the World Championships are better than the Olympics. Every national team is allowed to bring a full team of 10/10 members. One gets to see the best in the world compete unless there is a drug problem or an injury to an athlete.
“I think the World Championships are better than the Olympics.” You are right on that.
Who is the one to blame for Olympics fiasco?
a. 3rd world mentality of some of IWF member nations “win medal at all cost”.
b. ineffective campaign by IWF to get least 7 + 7 for qualified nations in the games. Other option should have been top 24 lifters in each weigh and allow two lifters from same nation in the same weight as long as total number is below 7 men and 7 women.
c. IOC members who in general hate weightlifting, wrestling but love horse dressage and modern (no) pentathelon. Please note up to 3 qualified athletes are allowed in track and field because it is so call glamor Olympic sport (Not!). Japan is going to have full arenas in wrestling if prices are reasonable.
Solution: Next post!