Rob Blackwell and Spencer Moorman teach the pecularities of the ‘Hip Clean’.
- off the floor with straight arms
- from the knees on up introduce a little arm bent
- bar hits the bar in the hip (as opposed to the high thigh area)
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And this is the main reason why USA is NOT doing well in olympic weightlifting (on a international scene). This and some nonsene-idiotic so called “techniques” such as Jon North’s “Hit and Catch”. Keep it up, USA! Keep on bendig your arms and banging the bar with your hips. I’d love to hear what chinese and russians have to say about this wonderful talent that you guys have, inventing and correcting what alredy is invented and correct.
By the way Gregor, this is truly an amazing web site for us all who are into weightlifting. Thanks!
Chinese weightlifters all have perfect hip clean…and so does rest of the world… bending arm is not necessary for hip clean, if you have advanced techniques or simply short arms, or wider grip
Not really sure what CasualLurker is talking about… the mass majority of olympic liftings including the chinese and russians who snatch pull/hit the bar into their hips, which is the basic technique that Jon North teaches in his “hit and catch” drills. As for the video above, they clearly call out that hip cleaning or high thigh cleaning depends on your body composition.
Olympic weightlifting is barely on the map in the USA and probably due to crossfit, there has been an dramatic increase in people who want to learn how to clean/jerk and snatch properly and the only real tools online seem to be coming from this website (thanks gregor) and the california strength and MDUSA teams.
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As you say, MT, one thing is to let the bar “enter” or get INTO your hips, and another one is to HIT it with them. Now, you can’t teach the PULL from hips by teaching to HIT it, even as a “drill”. For example, you may use the Fragmentary Method, or the Integral-Global Method (Forteza de la Rosa, Armando; Ranzola Ribas, Alfredo), to teach a Snatch or it’s second pull, but keeping in mind (and telling so to your athlete) that you should never bang the bar with your hips. And if you don’t want your athlete to do it (to hit it) when you move on to the complete movement, then why the hell would you teach him a drill where you are supposed to hit the bar?
You’re right; there is more than this when you get to explain why USA is not doing well in olympic weightlifting right now. But you have to accept that a poor technique, and what’s more, that you are truly stubborn in technique-related aspects, has a great deal to do with your results. Even so, you insist and insist on “creating” or “inventing” something that soviets, chinese, cubans, germans, and so many other countries alredy now how to do and how to teach, since they did the necessary investigantions back in the day. You teach to jump, you teach to bang the bar, you teach to bend your elbows, you try “catapult” one day, you try “triple extension” the other day, you try a starting position with high hips, then with low hips. Point is, there are really, REALLY few USA lifters who have a decent technique. In my opinion, if you could worry less on insisting on doing your way (that is, “the american way”), accept that you don’t need to fix what isn’t broke, and work consistently on the right way to do it, you could get one step closer to the podium, to the Worlds, and to the Olympics. But again, that’s just my opinion.
I agree with your points on technique. I go into my local Crossfit gym and I’m sure you have seen countless videos of members and coaches trying to teach the “jump” and other techniques that are advanced for beginners. The problem is these are not qualified people to teach olympic movements. They take a weekend course and are then considered level one coaches. I see the same faults from numerous members where they continue to hit the bar on their thighs on snatches and the low thigh on the cleans… Over and over again and they wonder why they can’t clean and jerk more than 185 or snatch 155(both in lbs). So I see these videos as a step in the right direction trying to teach better technique as I’m sure the majority of the questions they get are from crossfitters and they are very few good online tools and even less places to get qualified coaching… At least where I leave
From my understanding of technique and speed of movement; the reason flexing the elbow before the explosion or pop is bad is because the additional muscular tension slow’s the third pull under the bar. That being said this “technique” would require you to release muscular tension of the arms the instance the bar reaches the hips before the second pull is complete thus allowing the bar to take its final flight path unhindered and allowing the arms as well as traps to be relaxed for quick forceful pull underneath the bar. That being said I wouldn’t recommend this technique for a noob or anyone else for that matter. It would most likely be something to happen naturally because one can not correct themselves while moving at full speed. That’s my two cents.
As you say, MT, one thing is to let the bar “enter” or get INTO your hips, and another one is to HIT it with them. Now, you can’t teach the PULL from hips by teaching to HIT it, even as a “drill”. For example, you may use the Fragmentary Method, or the Integral-Global Method (Forteza de la Rosa, Armando; Ranzola Ribas, Alfredo), to teach a Snatch or it’s second pull, but keeping in mind (and telling so to your athlete) that you should never bang the bar with your hips. And if you don’t want your athlete to do it (to hit it) when you move on to the complete movement, then why the hell would you teach him a drill where you are supposed to hit the bar?
You’re right; there is more than this when you get to explain why USA is not doing well in olympic weightlifting right now. But you have to accept that a poor technique, and what’s more, that you are truly stubborn in technique-related aspects, has a great deal to do with your results. Even so, you insist and insist on “creating” or “inventing” something that soviets, chinese, cubans, germans, and so many other countries alredy now how to do and how to teach, since they did the necessary investigantions back in the day. You teach to jump, you teach to bang the bar, you teach to bend your elbows, you try “catapult” one day, you try “triple extension” the other day, you try a starting position with high hips, then with low hips. Point is, there are really, REALLY few USA lifters who have a decent technique. In my opinion, if you could worry less on insisting on doing your way (that is, “the american way”), accept that you don’t need to fix what isn’t broke, and work consistently on the right way to do it, you could get one step closer to the podium, to the Worlds, and to the Olympics. But again, that’s just my opinion.
best comedy wl video in a long time.